Thorn Coyle interviews Mat Auryn, an author and teacher in the fields of occultism and witchcraft. They discuss creativity, imagination, and the interplay between the subconscious and conscious mind in writing and magical practice. Mat shares how his creative roots began in childhood and how his imagination and creativity have always been an important part of his life and spiritual practice. They also explore the role of discipline and deadlines in writing, as well as the importance of surrendering to the creative process. Mat Auryn discusses his struggles with meeting deadlines and the pressure of writing. He shares how writing for periodicals can feel like a job and drain the fun out of it. Thorn Coyle suggests finding enjoyment in writing and applying the concept of play to make it easier. They also discuss imposter syndrome and the fear of not being qualified. Mat talks about his experience with aphantasia and his belief that writing a bad draft is better than not writing at all. They also explore the connection between spiritual practices and creativity. Find out more at https://www.auryn.net and https://www.thorncoyle.com